Rendering Basics
 

Hi all,
Well I ve spent countless nights pulling my hair out! My first Maya piece is completed apart from the rendering. I would like to achieve a render similar to chrome or brushed steel, I have designed a PDA and have messed around with basic rendering but to be honest with you all, I havent got a clue what im doing. Can anyone help me out with this?

All help appreciated, you never know, you may save my relationship also.

John

Alias have a number of shaders that may help you (including both chrome and brushed metals).

You can find these in the communities section of their site: www.alias.com

If you are using windows, you can download the shaders and extract them to a folder on your hard disk. Then, with Maya open, just drag the shader filr (<shader name>.ma) into your Hypershade window and, after a few seconds, it will appear there.

hi Huxley.

Ive got that far, got a few from a site and had a play, they look good on the website but when I try, their crap! its as though im missing something in the set up, the final render looks flat and nothing like the exaple given. Does lighting play a major role? Im just using default lighting at the mo, does this have an effect on the final render?

Absolutely! Just as in real life, lighting is hugely important: A room lit by flourescent lights will look completely different than the same room lit with a handful of very low power tungsten lights.

To get half-decent renders (as thats what most of mine are - only half-decent), you need to have an understanding of the lighting, the shaders, and the rendering setup.

Have a look at Kevins free spotlight tutorial. Then buy a few points and download Mikes 3 Point Lighting tutorial.

This will get you started. When you get as far as you think you can go, post some of your images in the WIP forum and the real gurus here will do their best to help you out.

For chrome, you'll also want to read up on HDRI so you have environment reflections.

Got me going now :)
 

Thanks for that guys, hopefully given me a few pointers, really appreciate the time and the help.

One more thing, if you have time?

Why do people create a sphere or a dome over the top to encapsulate the model, what is the purpose of this?(bear with me, ive only been doing this for about a month)

Probably another stupid question, or not.

Thanks again

John

I've seen and used domes/spheres to fake certain lighting effects. In particular "Global Illumination" and "HDRI":

Global Illumination (GI) occurs when the light falling on any object in your scene is correctly calculated from the contribution of light from the other objects in the scene.

HDRI (high dynamic radioscity image) refers to a particular form of image that has a much larger range of luminance information contained than a standard computer bitmap file. Typically, they are used as reflection or background maps from which lighting information is calculated beacuase they contain a huge amount of lighting information.

These are fairly advanced topics and ones I am just beginning to learn myself as you can see from the test images that I rendered this morning:

Link to rendering test images

The images are as follows:

Top Left: Maya Software renderer using default lights and no additional lights.

Top Right: The same scene rendered with a single white spotlight with a shadow setting of 512

Middle Left: I switched to Mental Ray, deleted the spotlight and rendered with default lighting.

Middle Right: Still in Mental Ray, but now with Final Gather turned on; 1000 rays, and min/max radius values of 0.1 and 1 respectively. Note the effect of global illumination - the green, red, and blue colors bleed into the surface plane.

Bottom: HDRI render using a hemisphere to contain the scene (not visible) onto which a lambert shader is applied. The lambert shader then has it's ambient color and color inputs mapped to the HDRI image and I have the doubled the luminosity of the color channel. The checkered plane has been replaced with a non-reflective white and the Final Gather values are 2000 rays, min-max radiuses of .8 and 8 respectively.

In terms of render times, the Maya Software renders took a few seconds, the Mental Ray default took about 15 seconds. Final Gather of 1000 rays bumps this up to about 35 seconds, and the HDRI render came in at a whopping 2 minutes (on a P4-1,5Ghz, 512kb RAM, HP laptop).

In case you're wondering - I was bored at work this morning! :)

Yikes, Im not worthy...................................

These look ace, the mental ray really works I feel like touching it.
Bit jagged on taurus, is that something to do with the global render settings?

found this on the web, not sure if its any good for what I want to achieve, but you might want it (I got along way to go yet)

Thanks again Huxley, I really appreciate the time and the effort.

John.

http://www.debevec.org/HDRShop/

http://www.debevec.org/Probes/

I always enjoy an opportunity to try out the stuff I've learned! You're right, the Torus is a little "bumpy", this is because I forgot to smooth it before rendering.

IMO, Mental Ray is a much better renderer than the Maya Software renderer and I'm only slowly beginning to get the hang of it.

Here's a good example of what can done with Maya and Mental Ray:

OK, well I put together a quickie video tutorial that shows how to create and render this image using Final Gather in Mental Ray:

http://www.araness.com/renderdemo.jpg

The link to the tut is:

MR_FG_QUICKDEMO.ZIP

The 6.27MB ZIP file contains:

(1) The TSCC codec that you will need to install before you can watch the video.
(2) The TSCC encoded AVI file.

Sorry it's so large but I didn't add sound so I tended to linger a little on each click of the mouse so you could see what is going on.

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A quick note: I hope that the mods and everyone at SM dont mind me posting my homemade video tutorial. I purposefully branded it with "Originally posted at SimplyMaya.Com" so that anyone who sees it will know that where it came from but that it is not an official SM product. If there is a Mental Ray/FG vid in the works or you'd just rather that I didn't post this, please let me know ASAP and I will take down the link

wow, Huxley

that was a good tutorial...thanks a lot.. it thought me a few things about rendering!!!

-Emo

Hardware Specs
 

My oh my!

Rich, what are your hardware specs?!!! And is that within the average mortal's budget? :p It just chewed up those renders like baby food.

That was... Amazing!

Thanks,
Luc

It's a 3.2GHz P4 and 2GB of RAM running on an ABIT IC7-Max3 motherboard. I have a Quadro4 980XGL card for viewport performance. It wasnt cheap ;)

Dude!
The images and the zip file dont appear to be available to view or download.
Are they still there
Ta!

As with the first reply from Rich you can drag shaders on a mac into the hypershade work window also

Hang on Guys!!!!


GraphicTart says its his first maya piece!! So lets not confuse the issue with GI and HDRI etc. He obviously want that good ol chrome look etc.

So what I suggest is a basic lesson, using Maya Software.

1)Put a light in the scene with ray tracing switched on in its attribute editor

2) Check the Raytracing option in your render globals menu. If you want Raytracing throughout the image ie;shadows etc then leave it at default numbers

3) For a good reflection ie; mirror, chrome or whatever a good start is make sure material is a blinn. Turn Reflection to max, Specular colour to max, Specular roll of to max and the Eccentricity down to a point where your hilight is quite sharp and not too spread out.

4) Try a render. You should get something decent.


Jango

hi thanks

Simple and tot he point Jango(but helped me out too), could always use another quick mirror like object.

Just tweaked it to the outer plating of my driftrunner if youde like to see.

*points to sig*

Twisted Dragon: Thanks Bud, will do!!

_J

thanks

Dam the link is dead ?
Any chance you can give another link Rich, That pic looks awesome

This link is still dead, and I would luuuuuuuuuurve to be able to check out the video. Is there any way of reposting the link, or has anybody downloaded it and could post a link to it???

Please please please, this could help loads of people!!!!!

LisaG :(

dd

thx
 

Hi guys!

I just want to thank you all for this site, especially for the free tutorials- I have installed the Maya for the very first time two days ago, and with your videos, from the absolute zero level, in about 3-4 hours I created the little movie I attached.
It's not much, but I really enjoyed making it.
So once again, thx a lot, and if I get a good job in about 3, or 4 years, you bet I will buy all the other tutorials as well. :cool:

A kid from Hungary.

that was a good tutorial...thanks a lot
 

that was a good tutorial...thanks a lot

tutorial alternative
 

darn, I wish I could have seen this. sounds like it was good one. I have found a pretty good online tutorial for GI and FG on the alias community site:

http://www.alias.com/eng/community/t...on/index.jhtml

It's pretty long and has good refrence images (may take awhile to fully download due to all the pics), plus the scene files are there to try the settings for yourself.

I'm only just starting to look at MR, so if any has other recommendations....

very nice!!!!!!

strong!

thanx
 

hello,

i had suck problems you answered here, many thanks for it! i'm new on the forum, but i like it much!

Dude!

I know this is a little late for comments, but I am quite horrible at lighting. I thank you all for this little bit of advice, the movies/tutorials I will check out as soon I get internet back ( I am using a library computer, so I am not able to download/look at anything... :( ) at my house. Please keep giving advice, I think many people could use it.

An SM Fan, bobalie

thank you very much .

Hi Rich

I'm trying to access your tutorial.
When I press the hotspot on your link
I get beamed over to a site called ARANESS
and I can't find any indication of the tut.
Can you give me a clue. Ce serait sympa.

It sounds like that was a good tut.
I can't access it either. Help rich

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Thanks

thats nice tutorial..but links was dead

hmmm... that might be because it was posted 5 years ago.

and the post before yours 2 years ago :D

Seeing as how EVERY SINGLE link in this thread is DEAD AND there is no really useful information not contained in a DEAD link maybe this thread should be UNSTICKIED?

Tutorials
 

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