it was going to happen one day
 

just wondering if there is anything that can be done about this apart from not downloading them.

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its a sad day indeed.

sorry to see your hard work being spolied by some free loaders

sorry i just thought about it and by posting the inks I`m helping them. So I removed the links.

Basically I found a site were you could download 2 of the dvds from here for free using edonkey. Looking deeper into it it seems the release group has pritty much all the titles. If any mods want the links plz PM me and I`ll send them to ya.

welcome to the world of computers.., the dark side!

MY SIDE:attn: :ninja:

you should re-phrase that acid cause it sounds incriminating (Not that you would do anything like that) :)

ya i realised that just now so uhh...

MY SIDE!!! (the hacker part of the computer world not the ripping off hard working people part of the computer world):bandit:

not naming any names but i have already had people (who are not mods) ask me for the links.

the simple answer mate = NO
I`m not giving you them or anyone else shame on you

Shakes head in disbelief.

I cant beieve that someone would PM you to rip off a site there a member of!

i wouldnt ask for those links it makes me sick that people would ripoff such a good site it would be funny if on the site you found out which members did it and just so happened to find all there personal info heheh:bandit:

Acid... dude....

"ya i realised that just now so uhh...

MY SIDE!!! (the hacker part of the computer world not the ripping off hard working people part of the computer world)"

Hacking IS ripping off hard working people, whether its from here or not. Whatever product it is, someone, somewhere has put in the effort to make it what it is. I can't say i'm perfect in this regard, but I ain't proud of it either and nor should you be.

I've been a computer programmer for years to me hacker just means talented programmer always has. Hacker in the scene of breaking into other peoples computers or stealing software etcetera is a media bastardisation of the term.

As for our stuff on P 2 P networks yes some of it is out there, but there's not a lot we can do about it unfortunately. If the big film studios can't stop it, well we really have very little hope.

The difference with stealing from me however is I make enough money to pay the rent and put food on the table. I'm not making hundreds of millions dollars here. If someone buys a DVD or download from me and passes it round to a few friends well that's to be expected but slapping it on the Internet well... I could make far more money writing software for a big corporate than I can running the simply sites, I do this because i like doing it so when someone steals our stuff I find it very annoying. I like to think the people that do it are kids with no money, I think we're reasonably priced and anyone with a job and a few bux extra is just going to buy what we have to sell.

Exactly, for the sake of a few quid, its a shame people would rather get decent quality stuff for free. For me, music, games, programs get downloaded when I'm unsure if I actually want to buy it. If i like what I download and I use it regularly, I'll go out and buy it to support the people that produced it (If I can afford it). If everyone had the same attitude then I'm sure p2p networks would be less of a problem. Unfortunately there are always going to be people who just never want to buy anything if they can get away with it. Karma will get them all....

Someone stole my 21st birthday present from my car once, a sub and amp and everything else that was attached (stereo + other speakers), and my ex-gf's dad was a police officer and said he was almost sure he knew who did it. There was a kid who lived down the road who was notorious for stealing from nearby cars. Almost exactly a year later I was overjoyed to hear from my ex-'s dad that this lad was playing chicken on a railway, and his head and hands were lopped off.

Train = 1
Theiving little sh*t = 0

sound a little bit cold... did you get the thing back?

Hah, he probably sold it to buy some crack straight after he robbed me. In the UK it's more likely that naked hot women fall out of the sky than seeing your stolen goods again.

And cold? The amount of stuff he stole from my car equalled about half a years salary & hard work on my part. He's probably caused hundreds of people grief and dissapointment. He's lucky to have been killed so instantly, if I'd have caught him at the time (or any other of his victims) he'd have found himself in a whole other world of pain.

an Ozzy?? shame on you.., no amp is worth a life,you sound like Yakuza, triad or mafia.

David is the only one that makes sense here and is not a complete hypocrite. How much is maya these days?? I have no idea! I dont work! but...

it suprises me why peple want to bable about this stuff, why start this thread in the first place?? Are we computer illiterate, I dont think so.

I have seen some pretty good smoke screens on this site at times, but the good outways all that.

most of us have known for years about the 'P2P' (ha ha ) and who it is.

suprise suprise?? what is this thread REALLY about

I know there are a few innocents, but most of us here are a lttle more in the know.

none the less we are all friends at arms, whatever that eans.

Well considering the SM tutes are very reasonably priced for what you get, its pretty lame to see people pimping it on p2p. I think it's fair play to bring it to their (SM's) attention. Even if they can't do anything about it.

As for babbling, isn't that what the lounge is for?

And I'm not saying my amp is worth his life. His life is/was worth nothing. My amp wasn't. Therefore my amp is worth MORE than his work-dodging benefit-claiming sorry-ass life.

babbling.., bad choice of word.., sorry. you are correct.

every life is worth as much as the next guy. seaons change and people change.., No one is perfect and we have all done and been things we are not proud of. NO amp is worth an
life, even if it is 'unempolyed'???

and anyway, back to the subject at hand, the 'news' about P2P and dobbing them to the mods?? I understand your anger, believe me, I understand it more than you know.

welcome to the dark side...

NOOOOOOO (While clutching severed hand)

Hahaha class : D

my...uh...saber slipped:ninja:

my tongue slipped as usual :) :eek:

and may the shwartz be with you all...

i dont hack to rip people off i hack programs for the fun of it i have never hacked to ruin or give away or take away someones work but i have never left a game unhacked:ninja:

what do you mean, i thought hacked was when people look for credit card numbers and stuff like that, no game I ever heard has 'credit' except a pinball machine?

no like umm... example: hacking grand theft auto so that by pressing a combination of buttons certan vehicles spawn and making vulnerability toggle able, stuff like that :ninja:

far out, thats amazing, really.., did you learn that at school, I know some people learn that at school?

I am of the opinion that whenever someone downloads from here their user name should be burnt into the video on the dvd (if that's possible) that's what our clients do to us it says "property of disney" for example and then a big watermark on it says "Framestore-CFC copy". Makes sure that if there's a leak then they know where it came from.

Maybe a bit heavy handed, but it would stop that kind of stuff

:ninja:
A

?? presuming they use a name rather than a generated one like hotmail does, like the spammer does.

would that mess it up, you would have to ask for ID??? nothing can be done, if the music, DVD industry can not fight it, what can be done?? good idea, dont get me wrong.

My opinion mirrors Pure_Morning's in it's entirety. There is another site around the traps that sells video training for various packages, C++, Maya, XSI, MAX, Delphi, UT2003 and many, many more.

It has been their policy to watermark each and every video set that is purchased and mailed with the buyer's username. If there was ever to be a leak to a P2P network, the perpetrator could be instantly identified and all further service denied.

The scheme in use is apparently two-fold, with both a video water-mark, faint but permanent, along with a more sneaky audio fingerprint, that is inaudible..

I'm yet to hear of an occurance of somebody being banned for trading their videos, their system appears to really work. Videos are still shipped the day they are ordered, so one can only presume it is an efficient and automated process.

I guess the biggest pain would be doing the coding for the encoder, even still - with the availibility and cheapness of mpeg libraries these days, even that may prove to be reasonably trivial. Encoding the audio fingerprint may well have been the trickiest part of the operation.


I'm with both David and Acid44 on the hacking issue though, once it was known as the art of reverse engineering and dissasembling somebody else's code to understand how it works, and make modifications to the way it operates. Eg - creating a patch that side-steps Windows Activation schemes is hacking. Copying the disc and then passing it on is Pirating. The two often go hand in hand, although are quite distinct from one another.

I used to do it years ago for the intellectual challenge and euphoria of knowing that you'd used a debugger and traced your way instruction by instruction through a 1.5 MB file to find the one instruction that checks the result of user input to some predetermined hash or key-value. It's also a way of getting around losing your legitimate key for a product you have purchased. As I did some 15 years ago with both Qemm386 and with UniVBE - memory management and SVGA bios extenders, respectively. It was also a handy way of buying extra time to do work at home in Uni, rather than use the University only copy at uni, one could get it to operate at home. The hours were still required, but could be spent in the privacy and comfort of your own home, at 3am if that was your prefference..

Some do it for the intellectual challenge, others do it to profit, and yet others do it as an "up yours" gesture.
I'm entirely against the latter 2 of these..


Just wondering Tweety, what can you get via P2P that is legal? :p

Simon.

I think that watermarking every tutorial would create a few problems. The big one that I'm thinking about is what if somebody steals a video off a person who has paid for it and then posted it all over the net? The person who paid for it would be banned because of something someone else did.


enhzflep > '...Copying the disc and then passing it on is Pirating.'

Umm, my understanding of pirating is breaking the copy protection, copying software and then selling it, where as breaking the copy protection and then using it as a backup or for any other personal reason is just getting your right back as a customer to have a few backup copies.

Certainly, the possibility of having somebody steal one's videos cannot be discounted. But is somebody really able to argue that the content was read from the CD/DVD and trasnmitted over the internet without their knowledge or consent?

Similarly, there are always exceptions to the rule - but methinks you won't find a terribly large number of burglers that go to the trouble of uploading any CDs/DVDs they steal from a person's house. A simple copy of the police report filed for the burglary would show this to have possibly happened and not be just some fabrication.

Also, while copy and selling software that one has purchased legally is a form of piracy, it is by no means the only one. There are many different definitions and interpretations of the term, varying both from person to person, and in cases from country to country. Some third world countries have no official policy on the matter, and at the site I spoke of before these countries are on the 'We Do Not Ship There' list.

For a more definitive explanation of the legal and moral issues involved, please feel free to browse the following link.

Copyright infringement of software

S.

most of the tuts I see are legitimate and are used at the TAFE digital centre in SA. They buy them for their lectures, or to make similar ones, I dont know really why?? talking out of turn here but thats where I have seen them. I have never seen any on P2P, most are digi tutors or the other mob??

so..?? that brings up another question, is it illegal to share tuts with friends who can not afford them?? People who could not do maya without the help of friends?? where is the money line drawn?? due respect to SM of course and not forgetting 'the dark side.. :) :eek: '

i learned a bit at school during tech class when i was supposed to be doing autocad but i dont know if that counts

other than that its all been just messing around with the config and save files, figuring out the encoding they use and such

I understand, sometimes it is just necessary.

Got no idea myself where SimplyMaya stand on this issue(too lazy to look, to be honest), at the other site I mentioned previously you must go though a 'cllick-through-contract' each time you acces the videos. In that, it is stated that while the owners of the copyright don't mind you downloading it and sharing it with your friends, they do have a problem with it being posted in publicly accessable places on the internet.

In the end, it's only piracy if you're doing something that the copyright owners prohibit (if in fact, the law permits them to make that prohibition.)

Well, Let me tell you about a little incident I reported to SM and DT and Gnomon.

I was on EBay looking for 2nd hand Maya Tutes found one guy very well priced. So I ordered it.

It arrived and it was rip of of Simply Maya, Digital Tutors & Gnomon. Came in as 5 DVD's and they didnt even work. They had a corrupt burn.

So I emailed Kev at the time and told him. Gave him the Guys email, ebay number & the thread. I also informed DY and Gnomon. Although I did not know what action was taken by DT or Gnomon. Kev did respond and say they would persue it.

Don't know the outcome.

the money you used there would have been better spent at TAFE my friend, for $200 I got the run of what I want with a great teacher who became my friend, even if he is too busy to teach :) He makes the tuts that TAFE use, plus they use e few digi tut s so I guess they got a deal there because there is no way a gov org is going to do anything illegal, ethics is a big issue in the media world, no?

but as to the post.., WOW?? I am amazed, considering everything I have come across in my day. (here and elsewhere) eyes wide shut!

second hand maya tus?? is that allowed, to give them away or resell them , you mean some guy who made up some tuts, you risked money on that?? I've got some great desert land here for sale too :)

my teacher didnt think so, when he caught me i got suspended for two weeks for installing vice city and messing up their computers (other fun we had[linux is great!!!])

they finally found out after about three weeks and right after i figured out the codes and memorized it that i was on the wrong computer;) im good:bandit:

your BAD BAD BAD :)

lol yup;)

but hey at least i found what i was looking for and they had no clue what happened to their machine:bandit:

"what do you mean, i thought hacked was when people look for credit card numbers and stuff like that, no game I ever heard has 'credit' except a pinball machine?"

haha, people hack alot of games not for money but to better them selfs in beating other players and getting the most kills etc.

dont know if someone already replyed to this but coudnt really see anything soo yeah,

marlon