For the Noobs, Newbies....
 

hey All newbie or Noob dudes etc...


I have a gripe, and that is new threads: the use of the word 'crap' in the titles of your work. Ive noticed it on two threads already this week.

This may sound real petty but you are presenting yourself in a negative way and it kind of tarnishes the forums here at SM.

If you dont think your work is that great dont post it, but if its improvement you're after then get some feedback in the WiP forum. Be positive in your work, if people see that the title is giving off some sort of negativity it wont get looked at - seriously!

Any threads labeled this way in future will be deleted by my goodself

Many thanks
Jay

I second that

I actually think it's a way of humbling ones self. If you think that your work is completely amazing, then how will you convince yourself to improve upon it?

Yeah but useing the word 'cr**' isnt really appropreate

I actually think it's a way of humbling ones self

Theres ways of doing it, but in more a subtle way. Please dont try and make excuses...


_Jay

yeah i agree using the would crap when presenting work has negative contotations with it, however the reason why i think they say "crap" is to reduce their work being scrutanised,

i now consider myself to be very good at modeling, however their was a time when i was a complete noob, newbie call it what you want, and i never presented my work on this forum with the title crap,

this has to be one of the best forums i have the pleasure of being a part of and i doubt anyone would be as crule as to say that your work is crap because we've all been there, and had to work hard at getting good at using the software

Right on Jay.

As you say theres better ways to say that your new to it, and with a bit of a description you would get better crits/comments on the work.

As you say if its described as crap then whats the point of either giving imporvements/comments??

I agree.

In the WIP section it is okey to call your work whatever you want as you actually might think that about the object and want us to help you improve it

But there is no point of posting something you think or call crap in the finished work section. Work with it until it is done or leave it on your hard drive.

First impression is very important, some readers only read the first few lines before they make a judgement.

True, there is a subtler way.

I'm guessing that you guys have a different view on the word crap than us in the States?

crap isnt really a bad word, dont really see a problem with it.

Crap isnt a bad word true, but you should never criticize your own work especially when it is posted in the finished work section.

It's not that the word 'Crap' offends anyone, it's the fact that titling your threads like so, just makes the forums look bad.

If your going to post a thread just give at an appropriate title.
Even if you think your model is 'Crap'.

plenty of people have come up with ingenious ways of titling their threads, so as to say... "Hey please look at my work, but don't expect much".

This thread should be made Sticky so no one forgets, and so new members don't get their threads deleted without knowing why.

I know a lot of English people have a completly different view of the word than alot of americans
i would definatly say its a bad word

Folks. There are a lot of differences in English and the US version.

Trust me, using crap is derogitory and most ppl learning English learn the international version (proper english) and not the US version. Examples:

US: Fanny - International English: Means a womans privates
US: Ass - International English: As bad as saying Arseh**e

I could go on all nite, but I wont.

The US version of english is lazy and quick. Please think about what your going to post and if u think it poor and want comments. try:

New User - House Model WIP. Pse give comments

See, easy and no use of poor language.

Yeah i dont think most americans know of how much variation there is between standerd english and american english
May i just say you may as well use s*** as far as some brits are concerned

The term has varying degrees even within the US, so saying it is harmless for those in the US is also untrue.

But regardless of how offensive it may be, it still stands, if you are saying your work is, by your own standards, crap (even in the best interpretation, it is still derogatory, akin to worthless or garbage), then why should we bother to look at it? what is the point of chastising your work in a manner that, at least to some, may be offensive, and to others, still makes it unappealing? Especially in the finished work section (if your not happy with it, why display it as finished, ether keep working on it, or put it aside and come back to it (or not) at a later time. If your looking for advise/critiques, then it's not finished)

I find the best way (personally) to get constructive critism, without getting bad reviews, is to show your work, and mention there is something off about it that you can't seem to figure out (regardless of whether it's true or not, If there is something off i can't figure, I'll direct people to that spot), overall, this gets people offering helpful advise, noticing things you may have missed, but always in a polite manner.

I stand by my guns that some people can find it offensive
I wouldnt exactly say it in front of my mum or dad

BTW another word with diffrent meanings is spasticated, it means clumbsy in America but some pople can find it offensive in england
( i think its also a mediacal term)

Callling someone a spastic in the UK is a major no no. Infact as far as Iknow its a no no in any english speaking culture. Except the US :headbang: :angery:

It basically means that you are calling that person retarded mentally or physically and therfore insulting all Mentally or physically impaired people.

A Wii game was ripped off of shelevs and recoded and rereleased because of that one word.

yeah it was mario party
its funny because a magazine comented on a screen shot showing the word when it had not yet been released in England (it was a shot of the US version) saying they will of cause change this before its released here

It's not that the word 'Crap' offends anyone, it's the fact that titling your threads like so, just makes the forums look bad.

My point overall exactly...I'll see about a sticky thread, cheers to all for the comments much appreciated.

There are lots of differences this side of the pond as opposed to the other, I find myself in the middle, (half english and some American you see) I probably swear like the chef Gordon Ramsey most days so Im not offended really by much.

Overall, The wording on the thread titles must be of a standard - period.

Cheers
Jay

my dad finds it offense!
but i do appreciate that many peopel think they speak english
WHEN THEY DONT!!!!!!!!!!!

just joking