well, neither can I, my brother got it awhile back, but since then he changed to doing web-design, so he gave me his license. but yeah, my choice of words was great. What I meant was, The results I get from maxwell is more satisfactory than what I get from mental ray.

So would mental ray. The key is to Tweak it!

but with maxwell, I can tweak it afters its been rendered ^_^
I loves me my multilight:beer: