so taking the twisted advice I started my project in the 3 character.....well I did the face references ....allways I start from head.... but another think is many people take a freeze picture from your screen...how can I do the same???? anyway I took a picture with my digital camera so the definition is not so nice but is enough to see how is goin...... and mister Mtm.......thanks for organise my post.....and for your answer....