hehe... exactly!!! but as i told before, if you look for nurbs patch modeling, the gnomon videos (Organic modeling I and II) are just WOHOOO... they are really every buck you spend worth it! even if you are not going to model with nurbs, i learned soooo much about geometrie/tessalation/how to do it right! But hey, i bought one of the Alias DVD´s. gnomon is far better! (but still i wounder about the human head modeling one)