ello, hiraghm - see below guvna - heheh anyone calls you bad names I know some people cheers matey peltra - thanks matey mantat - yeah I know they are quite long - as I said an attempt to copy the wristband the guitarist from slayer wears, but I take your point about them holding in leather - might have to address that. Cheers all - wont be able to do anything till Friday now just as I get going as well!!! Here's the wires