managed to planar the surface from the isoparms like you said buuut..... (i'll never get this to work=) now the planar surface just is'nt keeping up with the curvature of the letters when i render i get like a seam where the isoparm i planared is.. and i know i managed to get rid of this before.. but i just can't remember how i did... the planar is set to cubic.. and i've tried increasing the isoparms in both U and V directions.. but nothing works?