thanks for the comments everyone... i took your advice on the front plate twisted and i agree it looks alot better.. i also smooth out the actual armor plating to see what it would look like it its just cuasing more tweaking then i want to deal with at the moment so i unsmoothed it till i'm about finished... but not before taking a screenshot... so here goes ALSO: i'm gonna be taking a break from this for a couple weeks so i can put more effort into the challenge between me and twisted Dragon.. if you want to see it unfold heres a link https://forum.simplymaya.com/showthre...threadid=13552 nothin there yet.. but within a few days there will be anyways heres my pic