KOOOOOO! i figured it out thanks all of ya for your tips/Info on ways of doing it you've been a great help.. glad to be apart of this forum, with such Smart peeps. will post site here for you guy guys to see and understand what i was refering to just so you can see what i was working on... when im done that is. but dont expect any professonal work. OmeNu= Noob at this point. but im work'n on it.