thanks Lisa - although my work is very limited as i have only been working properly on 3d modelling for about 3 weeks - but i am very keen the only problem i have is that i have a house and dropping the salary to what i expect it would be i just would not be able to do so i will have to wait and get better, thanks for the info though.

I am only just working through the tutorials that kurt and the guys have put out as you can see below

DW