Hey kurt, I got to that part on my dog where I have to convert to SUb-d's and then start making detail. THe problem is that, when I do it, i get a error message. So i adjusted the numbers with the slider, but still didnt work. I read the error message, and it said that I need to do a cleanup. SO i did that, and SUB-D worked, but i had all these messed up faces and stuff on my model. So i went back and cleaned up stuff myself, and now its alittle better, but I still dont know what to do really to fix it? Also, how to i create new faces to merge the verticies inside my mouth. I deleted some stuff to remake the shape, but now i need to add some new stuff. Matt