Okay, I was sick of the gas prices talk but yah thats over, anyway, Iybrid what is the "defno" shader? I tried the shader that mhcannon uploaded and its kinda cool, I'm probably gonna use it for the sidewalks after a little tweaking (thanks buddy!). Other then that, I have alot of work to do to get this whole thing looking real good, so I'll try to get some time soon. Love to see some nice posts from anyone else.