Hey Mirek Graphite huh? Very cool, a good way to learn forms thats for sure. Preconceptions, yep they suck big time after a while as nothing is what it seems. There are various ways to create eyes using cheats with textures, I think www.antropus.com has one its very cool and very life like, but it falsifys the hilites but never the less its effective. I just checked the link theres alot more to his site now as Ive not been there for about 2 years, its very cool now, more of a blog, he still has his tutes, I didnt realise he had an eye modelling one there, so take advantage of that its very similar to what I do with mine bar a few changes. Cheers Jay