G I could model the creases as blend shapes and apply the SDK on those areas so when the joint moves in come the creases. A good thought... Mirek: Most of this was planned with sketches etc and what surface to model in, but as always along the way something doesnt quite go as you want so I have had to compromise areas but not to a point where theres a radical change from its origin. As for time, yes did expect it to be a while, Im doing this after work hours between family and other freelance work so...patience patience patience is the key. Hopefully texturing very soon as its almost complete, just a few more details to add Cheers guys again Jay