Originally posted by Kurt [B look at your muscle shapes and forms in a lot of the body back arm and the belly area they are very flat at the moment... [/B] thx for the comments but if you are looking at the last image it was badly put togeather in photoshop (while i was in work) and is blured but the belly is not flat. the belly area has got detail of the under side of a snake. no human muscules will be visable. I also think the back arm is fine. just cant see the detail. plz check the earlyer screen shots for clouse ups of the arms and let me know if you think they still need work. @ gster123 this is the type of bow I`m going to do. dont know the name of it. but it looks like the one from clash of the titians https://www.aurorahistoryboutique.com.../S000004_L.jpg https://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Arts/Aegina/Paris.jpg https://z.about.com/d/atheism/1/0/W/U...ting1934-l.jpg