hey guys Yup its there, I just havent put enough in right now as I agreed with earlier in the thread, it does need more volume as it ends way to low right now. It is a cartoon character but I'd like to add some realism to it. But be aware of this subject because I feel also the need to give way to artistic license, because apart from the sternocleidomastoid muscle not being overly present, lets face it, who the hell has a jaw like this? As far as modeling inside to outside like the T-Rex, thats just a preference on how technical you want to go, you dont need to model that stuff to be accurate in any representation of a bust, creature etc. Its about observation as a whole at the end of the day, and even with that stuff in the model you can or could still get it wrong. Cheers Jay