Thanks for the feed back guys i realy appreciate it, as i said im a hobyist, and so time is always a factor, sometimes i end up rushing the last bit just to get a render...but you all make valid points.

Render set up is my big flaw, lighting espesialy, i usualy end up using final gather as a kind of cheat but it can give unsatisfactory results, still onwards and upwards, keep up the good work everyone