Toxic Bunny Sure, I mainly use MJ Polytools for the speedy edgeloop split tool, split poly tool for those awkward bits, lattices, clusters, extrude face, sometimes artisan for smoothing out areas like backs of heads, this saves time on point pulling. Try also moving edges instead of verts, you can reach certain forms alot quicker. JosiahBrooks Have a look at Kurts Lyp sych tute with the orc head, that should get you on track. Cheers Jay