@gster; i looked at it in the forum but didn't like the solutions(sorry:blush: ), and i will keep the things you said in mind @farbtorp; no i haven't animated anything complex like this before, but i have to start somewhere, don't i? And funny you mentioned the compositing thing, i've just finished my first ever composited test video on you tube, keep in mind when you watch it i've never done this before and somehow some of the letters aren't in view but i'm very happy with it (for now).:attn: this is the link(mozilla users ctrl c, ctrl t, ctrl v :p) , i would love some feedback https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJn5mR1g_7k