I went through some settings and this is where i'm at. Depth map shadows are off, shadows are set to simple, and the point light is about .9 I am working in video so my overall resolution is set to 72ppi 1280x720. I will try the higher bias next. But I am willing to tweek and render for the next year or so. I don't care how long it takes, this is too cool. Thanks for your help, your continued support is invaluable. BTW Alan, how is the Narnia 2 coming along? Is maya the software that is being used?