Hello again folks, thanks for your thoughts on my site. Dave: if there was an easy way to do the light diffuse thing I'd give it a go, any ideas? Mirek: I said that I'd bear it in mind for the future not just consider it, I always appreciate and take on board any info or true crit that I recieve from people to use in the future. Anyway.... it's been a few days since I updated this as I've been busy doing other stuff but I've finally made a start on the second character..... DEATH...... Mwahh Ha Ha Ha Ha!!! ( felt a little maniacal laughted was needed there!). I've pretty much got the skull sorted, it still needs the teeth and some major tweaking and then I'll set to giving it a bit of character before starting on the upper neck, collarbones and cloak. Cheers again, Mat.