Originally posted by AikoWorld arran a question for you what reason is it to wait till the model is finished before soften harden tool? cuz i use it allot and i think i have used it while modelling. thx yeah - i do too - i just find that further modeling tends to cancel things i've done with the normals tool, so I usually do a soften at the end and then go back over any problem edges... though i think djblazer makes sense - any high poly models should essentially be soft. I find the soften / harden tool helpful when i'm doing hard modelling.