Thanks for the responses. Taken a break from it just now to watch some training vids, I'll try both the lattice and the edgeloop method later on.

That's kind of what I was doing blazer, I'll give it another shot.

Blazer, I've always been impressed by the hard body modeling you show here. How do you think my tv is shaping up generally? In terms of geometry, edgeflow etc.

cheers,

gubar