Originally posted by gster123 If there so "big" then why are they not full versions, they are bites of the cherry to try and get it right What do you mean they weren't "full" versions? Because it didn't take them 6 years to make one they aren't counted as a step forward? And how did they not get it right? As far as I've seen, each version wasn't a screw up (like the "V" word was ).