Thanks brother, I am working at this slowly between real work and studying for CISCO tests hehehe. Mainly just doing a little at a time trying to get detail in where I can and cleaning up as I go. I just added the indention into the top of the helmet tonight. I'm seriously a newbie but the tutorials here on the site as well as alot of the threads I have been reading are helping a lot. Again thank you very kindly for the input.