Hey thanks benny, So from what i gathered they were saying the incandes will give slight lighting with.. FGather for MR.., and a better glow? the problem i have with that is that the renders will take way to long..FG that is, great for a still image to look great but i need the econo render.. lol one that looks .. on the upper level of mediocre and fast.. ish.. im expecting this short clip to be in the realm of 5-8 mins long Mind you that being said i have alot to learn about rendering still... lol i still render to *.avi lol shame on me (Note to Self... learn to composite ) anywho thanks benny ill give the incandes a go -Ruff