Originally posted by Chirone it's still around: https://forums.thegnomonworkshop.com/...ead.php?t=1601 free tutorial HE HE thats what I was looking for many thx - as they say at the top of that link its been moved a number of times and have had a hard time finding it again - so many thanks. Originally posted by Lok1 i think you have some topology issues around the mouth and nose. i see some tris that could be cleaned up so it deforms a little cleaner. other then that looking good Yer will do some more work on the mouth when I finnish the inner part. Originally posted by GecT I'm here squinting and debating, and I think the back seems a little too big, thats what stands out most for me. The back ??? you lost me alittle there but not to worry the camera will not be that low anyway. The only reason I built this much was to not have a floating head. Now lets make some eyes