thanks guys for all the comments first of all im far from finished with this and i do still have to iron out some parts and more stuff like wipers and stuff and about the b-beam ill add it, i just wanted to see what it would look like without one @twisteddragon:if you want i can email you the tut that i followed it was written by one of the members here also about my workflow i built the whole base mesh to give me a rough idea of what i was gonna change @abie1: i do have many references for the rims but i decided to build my own ill make the changes you proposed much later also do you think i should add a spoiler to this im trying to give it a sporty look but also dont want it to go the way of looking like subarus and mitsubishis maybe like a slr mclaren