too late now. I dont work for a company or anything. Well not one doing this kinda stuff. Its just how I spend my free time. Im hearing you on the paintfx, but when I think of paintfx, I think of a more cartoony kind of feel, as opposed to vues sort of crude realism. But I know thats just a rendering thing. Well, Im getting it now, so i'll just have a play. ...Keeps me off the streets... I hadn't really thought of using paint fx for matte painting, well ...on a large scale anyway.hmmm p.s murambi....is bsp that setting to do with trees and leaves(no matte painting puns intended) and stuff how Maya organises it's memory during rendering?