Cheers guys. Yer Mayaniac It was heavily based on the toy and was why I started again. Going to make him a much more BEEFY and more teck-no version of him (some of thee teck of his arm looks really old) Still struggling with the Jaw shape - ruffing some idea out but so far nothing I like. Day off today so hoping to get loads done - here is some work on the arms. Copied them over for now as I am not sure how much I am going to cut off. https://www.ravage3d.com/images/trapjaw/Trap_1_7.jpg