Funny you say that - this ones a render but the wire frame is still there - But its the way I normally work in W.I.P`s. There is no point in renders until the model is almost finished and testing textures. https://www.ravage3d.com/images/horde/wip_2_1.jpg Lots of work on the underside of the ship after my little break - The guns and bombs are now gone (did not like them) and I really not happy with the wings. Going away from my concept a little now, that design is quite a few years old now.