This project is going pretty slowly... I've been discouraged a lot but I think it's getting there. The problem is you get to this point where you have a nice shape but no plan as to how to get it to join to the other panels of the car. So you detach surfaces and try to find a way and lose that lovely curve. Then it's back to nudging cvs around trying and rebuilding surfaces til you get close to where you thought you had been. Rrr.

On the up side the tires were an interesting interlude - they're poly - i made the pattern in nurbs, 15 degrees and then duplicated it 23 times rotating 15 degrees each and then joined them. Was left with 2 pieces because I couldn't join the last parts of the nurbs objects. Is this possible?

I converted to subds and then poly. that seemed to work better than converting straight to poly but that may have been due to some other glitch. Hm. Okay. here's the model.