Joverall22- It's not that I have a love affair with Modo. Modo is the only tool to compare what I'm use to is all. I try not to do this to much but what other source do I have to draw on so to speak. And forgive me but if I was having a bad day I would never take it out on someone I have no idea who they are out of respect as a person trying to learn. I will cool it down on the mentioning of Modo because Maya is not Modo and I get that. However I am here to learn how to move around in Maya and it's paying off, just have to understand How Maya want things thrown at it Honestdom - Again my apology to you regarding my post annoying you, I will ask stupid questions because I am learning my way around. I meant no harm Thanks