Oh just reminded me of Dave's thread a few weeks ago. Just going through the stats for SimplyMaya we get over 10 thousand visits every month from people browsing with IE <6 and Firefox <3 If your're one of them hit the update button. You might be shocked at how the web now looks and works on something that's not older than I am. Shocking really! Dave https://simplymaya.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36788 heheh