Thanks dave, I have tried it as well. I just did not post it here. I have tried paintFX, fur and hair. I prefer the paintFX, the only drawback is that one has to convert it to polygons for mentalray. As you pointed out with fur it is very easy to get good results. I found that hair a little bit more finicky to configure. It's not as intuitive as paintFX and fur (Had to go back to the manual a couple of times).