LOL thanks man...yeh you are right...I guess its just different topo which my eyes are not used to. Again it comes down to experience etc...like you, you have lots of experience in this regard and are good at it. Me on the other hand...Im a Surveyor, so for me its terrain, buildings etc...you just have to get your eye in. I think to be honest character modelling (not sculpting) is to you as a highway is to me...I can see things you wouldnt...exposure is the key. Dont worry Im not giving up either!!! I am going to finish this damn assignment LOL, cheers again for a good quality tut too mate...the way the topo is forming now is starting to stick...I think drawing contours on a face first will be my next human face.....that way I can 'see' what I want until its firmly burnt in the scone.

cheers bullet