cheers guys, m - all the surfaces are just shaded with a blinn, and coloured brown. more or less default settings in gi_joe - just changed the skylight to closer towhite and slightly darker. There are quite a few different surfaces. The bolts are tweaked poly cylinders ( Is this a bad thing to do? mtm - pity its going to have loads more polys than yours i aint the most economical modeller ever cya all rich