Well, it's ok Brian, take your time on whatever u are doing, i saw ur CRX, it looks great, love to see u modeling cars, well let me post this updated one first, then i will try to convert it back to poly and have u see it, but i think i already have a "high" poly coz i subdivided before converting it, oops, is that a problem? oh well, it's just a try, maybe i learn not to do it next time, i will keep trying to model some more cars, i would like to model all 3 generation of the MR2s first^_^ anyways, here is the update, i am sure that i did bad on the windows, roof, rear window..etc, all the top part of the car, but as i said, i am just trying, so yeah, btw thx Brian!