Originally posted by M Oh, and btw.. looking great JB!! Man, that model is awesome.. just i think it needs some fine tuning and also... why dont you do a poly soften? (Edit Polygons>Normals>soft/hard>Option box> all soft>enter) .. it will smooth out those hard poly edges without moving a single vert . Thanx for the compliments M. I know about the poly smooth - I just work in low-poly to begin with because there aren't as many verts you have to worry about. I smooth it every now and then to see what it looks like then I undo it. I also only work on 1 half - the other half is just an instanced copy . Anyway, the fine-tuning is coming along quite well i feel. I've added the apperance of some neck tendons and some skin folds - there is still quite a bit more to come. Here's an update (smoothed).