well i have been working on it for a long time now but it has not improved much. i keep getting weird deformations in surfaces. well right now all i am using is the split polygon tool. are there any other useful tools. i am sure there are tons but i just probably don't know how to use them. my mesh is getting very heavy. oh yeah, I didn't post a bigger image because close up it looks really bad. getting tired. six hours non stop sorry no pics but my photoshop is going ape. and to post them by just print screen is too big. soon... c ya i'm off to bed now