thanks guys for the encouraging comments. It's been a long time since anyone has seen my stuff, without feed back you can only go so far. polygon 9000: thanks heaps!!!! being a modeler & animator ive not studied how to present the work. you've been a huge help. there are quite a few things that i have no understanding of at all: colour-thats why all the work is grey, but I've found I like the style. lighting- theres no much method to my lighting madness, i just drop as many lights in as my machine can handle. I need to understand light & shadow camera shot / angle: I don't reckon that the shots I pick or the composition of the shot are effective to show the model in a more stylised & professional manner. Now that I thinkabout it I reckon I need some advice on modeling as well. thanks again xian