Thx Ice.. yea Mike there is certainly a lot of unnecessary geometry at the moment but i like to get the general shape of the character as best i can then have a lil fun tweaking away and reducing while adding what detail i need ...wether it be armour ,clothes etc ...youll probably find in the next few shots that the details will appear and the polygon count will remain roughly the same as i get tweaking her up...just a personal preference on the way of doing things i guess, as i find if i try and model a character with all the armour clothes etc first ...i tend to lose the feminine/masculine..etc shape of the underlying model...if that makes any sense...but yes your right at this early stage.