Its been a while since I've messed with final gather settings but thats where you wanna look. Min and Max radius under the final gather menu I believe are your ticket. The values you put in are totally dependant on scene scale. If I remember correctly you should set max to 1/10 of your scene size and min to 1/10 of max ... something like that ... I'd have to read up on it again. You could also just try significantly increasing the number of rays. cool model Dave