Steve!!! thanks mate...yeh still getting used to it mate LOL its a little hard..plenty o refs on bodybuilders. Im still waiting for that book you mentioned..or the money I should say. I looked it up it was about 35 Pound I think.

Turn me inside out?? bahahahahaha I take it you like Zbrush?? It is a lot cheaper..I know nothing about either of them LOL so take the comment with a pinch of salt..and lemon and tequila..oh I forgot you dont drink...sokay..me and dave wil drink it.

cheers bullet

Gotta take the missus in for a hospital stay so I will try and shape it a bit more...trying to get the move tool to do what I want...:headbang: