Dudes The eye has caused controversy? Well eyes have always intrugued me with human modelling and its damn hard to get it right, I mean I'm still trying to get it right, and this model is the best so far. I think Mutated Helix is the the closest. Its two spheres, one over the other, one with a slightly concave surface and the other with convex surface. The map itself is actually a Hi Res texture from dosch design, I have one of the cd's. as I wasn't happy with some of my own stuff and also various tutorials out there. Theres only been one really good tutorial I have seen by a guy called Juan Sisquier ( I think this is the right guy) which is pretty good. But in the end I like to stick to my own methods. Skin textures I'll always take real hi res photos of people and then edit those accordingly. I'll post tnite, a copy of the eye for you to look at, if I get time Jango