i hope some one comments soon, it's not nice when you put alot of work into some thing and no one comments, good or bad i don't care. i guess i should say why it's been so long since my last update, i have been working hard learning from tutorials from all over the place, every thing from rigging to rendering even some photoshop tutorials, so here you go i put them together in a scene to compare them cause i don't have a style yet i don't want them to look to different to each other . oh and i think i have the lighting down pretty well, any comments?