Okay... question two as it pertains to aligning cv's: How do you align cv's that are not set on an axis... say if a curve has 5 cv's, I want to align cv's 2-4, with cv's 1 and 5 so I have my original starting and ending point.. and a straight line inbetween. Ya see.. I have a surface that I am working and can't smooth out the surface do to small inconsistantcies in cv placement. Maybe I am looking at this wrong, if there is a better way, or if I need to post an example of my problem... let me know. ChiTao