thanks concord, yeah i'm playing with the lighting trying to get mental ray under control right now. As is it has FG with a bit of dirtmap, not sure if its set up right or not though because I seem to remember FG giving more of a uniform lighting over the whole model. Anyways, I dfound the artist who I was looking for earlier it was Pure Morning : https://forum.simplymaya.com/showthre...5&pagenumber=1 The guy did an AWESOME job on that Feng concept. Thanks for the tip, i'll try and tweak it to get rid of that spotlight look for next render.