hi dave. cheers. yeah, i think youre right. i think the first place i'd start trying to declutter, is on the shoreline. guess i got a bit trigger happy with the old cut n paste. the neon signs were the last things to go in. i've not implemented them well, but the idea just came to me to make it into a kind of 'casino graveyard'. there seemed to need more in the foreground to balance things out, it seemed too empty once id worked on the city and shoreline. perhaps one or two of those gravestones could go. i'm just a stickler for a busy picture. i'm gonna paint on the boat again i think, see if i can help balance the fg/bg that way.